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On Jun 10, 1:28 pm, "Son of Serpent Esq" <jun...@dodgeit.com> wrote:

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On Jun 10, 1:38 pm, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand Simberg)
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BradGuth · Guest

Why are Zions so deathly afraid of their own shadow?

Why are Zions opposed to whatever ETs (intelligent or not)?
-
Brad Guth

Fred J. McCall · Guest

"alain245@sympatico.ca" <alain245@sympatico.ca> wrote:

:On Jun 7, 2:58 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:> "alain...@sympatico.ca" <alain...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
:>
:> :On Jun 5, 11:54 pm, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> And we're responsible for over 25% of the global product. When we're
:> :> producing a bigger share of CO2 than we are global output, THEN we're
:> :> the problem. Until then folks like India and China are the problem.
:> :
:> :Why should that be the metric?
:> :
:>
:> Because other ways of measuring impact are simply silly unless your
:> goal is for us all to move back into caves.
:
:My goal is to be fair and have a sustainable economy. That doesn't imply
:going back into caves at all.
:

Of course it does. The fact that your intellectual myopia is causing
you to fail to look at the consequences of your opinions doesn't
change those consequences.

:
:>
:> :
:> :Why not CO2 production per capita?
:> :(where
:> :the West lags way behind China and India.) Shouldn't everyone be
:> :treated
:> :equally?
:> :
:>
:> Yes, they should, and that treatment should be based on how much
:> output they get for how much carbon they emit to get it. It's the
:> same rule for everyone, not biased to encourage everyone being dragged
:> down to the lowest common denominator.
:
:That looks quite a lot like "the rich should be allowed to pollute
:more than the poor" to me. And I don't think that is fair.
:

See what I mean about that intellectual myopia? How things look to
you doesn't have much to do with reality.

Production is what makes people rich. The more efficiently you
produce the richer EVERYBODY is.

:
:Historically when contraints on usage of a resource had to be
:allocated, it wasn't done on the basis of those who output more own
:more. At least not in places with semi-sane governments. Take radio
:frequencies for example. Typically, they are auctionned off.
:

Which *IS* a case of "the rich get the resource".

:
:The
:proceeds going to governments, in other words to the people.
:

Those are other words, but they don't mean anything like the same
thing.

:
:That is
:because radio frequencies belonged to everyone equally until the were
:sold or rented.
:

So where's my share of the radio frequencies? I didn't sell anything
or get anything. Who got it? Who got the money?

:
:I think the atmosphere should be the same. Every human
:being has an equal right to using the atmophere, not based on ones
:output but based on one being a person.
:

So the worst sort of pollution (overpopulation) becomes a virtue in
your mind...

:
:>
:> :If some use their share of CO2 production inefficiently and
:> :don't
:> :make much with that is their problem,
:>
:> No, it's EVERYONE'S problem, since if you measure on a per capita
:> basis and believe the disaster scenarios for global warming that
:> essentially says that one of two things happens:
:>
:> 1) The planet gets an economic death spiral, as total output must fall
:> in a system biased to favour the less economically efficient
:> contributors to the problem, or
:
:Don't be so pessimistic. We can dramatically reduce CO2 emissions and
:have the economy grow. Reducing CO2 emissions does not mean reducing
:economic output.
:

Of course it does, in overall terms. Think about it. Make up some
numbers and see the difference in economic output (which is what makes
EVERYONE rich) between what I propose and what you propose under
pretty much whatever 'rules' you care to devise.

You'll find that economic output of the planet (which is what makes
EVERYONE rich) goes up more under my scheme than under yours.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Eric Chomko · Guest

On Jun 10, 9:29 am, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand Simberg)
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alain245@sympatico.ca · Guest

On Jun 15, 2:09 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Fred J. McCall · Guest

Eric Chomko <pne.chomko@comcast.net> wrote:

:On Jun 10, 9:29 am, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand Simberg)
:wrote:
:> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:35:48 GMT, in a place far, far away, Brian
:> Thorn <bth...@suddenlink.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
:> such a way as to indicate that:
:>
:> >On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:18:37 GMT, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand
:> >Simberg) wrote:
:>
:> >>>More like mobilizing existing capabilities in pursuit of a single goal
:> >>>that the average American can understand and get behind. Not
:> >>>necessarily a massive increase in expenditures, although there would
:> >>>probably be that, too (on several fronts, including greatly increased
:> >>>wind energy production, etc.)
:>
:> >>If those things made economic sense, we'd be doing them, without
:> >>subsidization.
:>
:> >I'm not convinced of that. It makes more economic sense to use EELV to
:> >launch Orion. We're not doing that.
:>
:> I'm not referring to what NASA does.
:>
:> >It makes more economic sense to
:> >drill the ANWR, we're not doing that.
:>
:> That, again, is because the government is in charge of whether or not
:> that can occur...
:
:Or not. The oil industry tells this administration what it will do.
:

Oh dear. He's delusional again.

:
:>
:> <snip other things that may or may not make economic sense--national
:> health care certainly doesn't>
:
:It works in other countries. Too bad too many here in the US feel the
:same as you do. And public transportation is another thing that other
:countries do much better than we do and for similar reasons.
:

You mean because they're small and homogeneous?

:
:> >Politics is a funny thing.
:>
:> Yes, but largely, the largest industry in the world can't ultimately
:> afford to be driven by politics.
:
:No, it drives the politics. You seem to not know the difference
:between the dog and the dogs tail.
:

And you seem to not know the difference between the dog and the dog's
bollocks...

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates